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		<title>Comment on Wind Turbines = Fossil Fuels! by SaveWesternOHIO</title>
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		<dc:creator>SaveWesternOHIO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Aug 2010 06:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;I believe that the ...&lt;/b&gt; &lt;br&gt; I believe that the prospects for coal, nuclear and natural gas becoming wildly expensive are only likely if the far left makes laws limiting their use.  These resources are vast, and according to DOE EIA, will last civilizations for many centuries.  But if you are speaking from the Chicken Little perspective, and hoping for outrageously expensive electrical power, then I see your point.  Maybe someday sprawling weather power and energy storage will win in economic dispatch, God help us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>I believe that the &#8230;</b> <br /> I believe that the prospects for coal, nuclear and natural gas becoming wildly expensive are only likely if the far left makes laws limiting their use.  These resources are vast, and according to DOE EIA, will last civilizations for many centuries.  But if you are speaking from the Chicken Little perspective, and hoping for outrageously expensive electrical power, then I see your point.  Maybe someday sprawling weather power and energy storage will win in economic dispatch, God help us.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Wind Turbines = Fossil Fuels! by steensn</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Aug 2010 06:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;This is totally ...&lt;/b&gt; &lt;br&gt; This is totally misleading and a terrible strawman argument. No one is claiming wind will be 100% of our energy source but rather a big %. We are advancing technology, we have to use the technology AVAILABLE at the time to create new and better technology. Coal steam engine railroads brought the material to build and produce the first diesel powered trains. Coal plants supplied the power to build the first nuclear power plants. Horse and buggies brought the components to build the first cars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>This is totally &#8230;</b> <br /> This is totally misleading and a terrible strawman argument. No one is claiming wind will be 100% of our energy source but rather a big %. We are advancing technology, we have to use the technology AVAILABLE at the time to create new and better technology. Coal steam engine railroads brought the material to build and produce the first diesel powered trains. Coal plants supplied the power to build the first nuclear power plants. Horse and buggies brought the components to build the first cars.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Wind Turbines = Fossil Fuels! by ngiotta</title>
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		<dc:creator>ngiotta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Aug 2010 06:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;This is a ludicrous ...&lt;/b&gt; &lt;br&gt; This is a ludicrous argument.   Let&#039;s not take into account that a turbine&#039;s average life span is at least 25 years....  Sure the initial construction and installation requires *some* fossil fuels, but are you really trying to argue that negates 25 years of clean energy production?  

Oh no!  They use fossil fuels to design, produce and transport hybrid and electric vehicles.  They probably should be scrapped too since there is no net savings in fossil fuel consumption.

I call shenanigans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>This is a ludicrous &#8230;</b> <br /> This is a ludicrous argument.   Let&#8217;s not take into account that a turbine&#8217;s average life span is at least 25 years&#8230;.  Sure the initial construction and installation requires *some* fossil fuels, but are you really trying to argue that negates 25 years of clean energy production?  </p>
<p>Oh no!  They use fossil fuels to design, produce and transport hybrid and electric vehicles.  They probably should be scrapped too since there is no net savings in fossil fuel consumption.</p>
<p>I call shenanigans.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Wind Turbines = Fossil Fuels! by spunkermunker</title>
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		<dc:creator>spunkermunker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Aug 2010 06:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;@indigonegative ...&lt;/b&gt; &lt;br&gt; @indigonegative What happens when the wind doesn&#039;t blow?  Gotta crank up the motors on the turbines (oh-oh, powered by (horrors) REAL FOSSIL FUELS).  Have you ever driven by these dang eyesores that go for miles and miles and miles and miles through New Mexico and Texas?  Takes up so much valuable land it&#039;s downright creepy.  That constant humming is enough to even drive a lib-tard crazy!  Don&#039;t want to be a bird either---not good.  Nothing wrong with stepping back in time I suppose.....hmmmm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>@indigonegative &#8230;</b> <br /> @indigonegative What happens when the wind doesn&#8217;t blow?  Gotta crank up the motors on the turbines (oh-oh, powered by (horrors) REAL FOSSIL FUELS).  Have you ever driven by these dang eyesores that go for miles and miles and miles and miles through New Mexico and Texas?  Takes up so much valuable land it&#8217;s downright creepy.  That constant humming is enough to even drive a lib-tard crazy!  Don&#8217;t want to be a bird either&#8212;not good.  Nothing wrong with stepping back in time I suppose&#8230;..hmmmm</p>
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		<title>Comment on Wind Turbines = Fossil Fuels! by XsmashX1</title>
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		<dc:creator>XsmashX1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Aug 2010 06:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;This is ludicrous. ...&lt;/b&gt; &lt;br&gt; This is ludicrous. Those are short term costs, we don&#039;t import the same equiptment everyday. Once the turbines are here, they&#039;re here to stay... obviously we&#039;re not moving them back and forth. If they want to make that arguement, the rebuttal&#039;s child&#039;s play, &quot;fossil fuels=fossil fuels&quot; (same transport methods..).

The wind turbines aren&#039;t run on fossil fuels...this clip is an insult to our intelligence. How stupid do they think we are? Wind turbines are an investment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>This is ludicrous. &#8230;</b> <br /> This is ludicrous. Those are short term costs, we don&#8217;t import the same equiptment everyday. Once the turbines are here, they&#8217;re here to stay&#8230; obviously we&#8217;re not moving them back and forth. If they want to make that arguement, the rebuttal&#8217;s child&#8217;s play, &#8220;fossil fuels=fossil fuels&#8221; (same transport methods..).</p>
<p>The wind turbines aren&#8217;t run on fossil fuels&#8230;this clip is an insult to our intelligence. How stupid do they think we are? Wind turbines are an investment.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Wind Turbines = Fossil Fuels! by steensn</title>
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		<dc:creator>steensn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Aug 2010 06:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;@spunkermunker ...&lt;/b&gt; &lt;br&gt; @spunkermunker There is no motor in those things to make them spin when the wind isn&#039;t... that makes no sense and defeats the purpose. Each wind site has a certain wind rating and average power is estimated to determine the energy and financial benefits of putting them up in that location. There are windy seasons and low wind seasons, but the average wind and estimated benefits give each project a justification. When the wind doesn&#039;t blow, they don&#039;t spin. Would you rather have coal stacks?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>@spunkermunker &#8230;</b> <br /> @spunkermunker There is no motor in those things to make them spin when the wind isn&#8217;t&#8230; that makes no sense and defeats the purpose. Each wind site has a certain wind rating and average power is estimated to determine the energy and financial benefits of putting them up in that location. There are windy seasons and low wind seasons, but the average wind and estimated benefits give each project a justification. When the wind doesn&#8217;t blow, they don&#8217;t spin. Would you rather have coal stacks?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Wind Turbines = Fossil Fuels! by steevmoor</title>
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		<dc:creator>steevmoor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Aug 2010 06:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;I think this video ...&lt;/b&gt; &lt;br&gt; I think this video must be satire... I mean, even a five-year-old can be taught the difference between a small expenditure for long term benefit and a constant sizable expenditure of fuels.  HA!  These guys are funny!  And EVERYONE fell for the joke!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>I think this video &#8230;</b> <br /> I think this video must be satire&#8230; I mean, even a five-year-old can be taught the difference between a small expenditure for long term benefit and a constant sizable expenditure of fuels.  HA!  These guys are funny!  And EVERYONE fell for the joke!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Wind Turbines = Fossil Fuels! by aronswritingdeskyt</title>
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		<dc:creator>aronswritingdeskyt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Aug 2010 06:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Turbines are made ...&lt;/b&gt; &lt;br&gt; Turbines are made in places like China. When their production is subsidised your government is basically giving billions of taxpayer&#039;s money to an energy company which then pays billions to a Chinese company. Then to recover costs they slap you in the face another time by increasing your energy bills. You pay two times for something that is inefficient and only serves the whims of politicians and corporations. 

That&#039;s wind power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Turbines are made &#8230;</b> <br /> Turbines are made in places like China. When their production is subsidised your government is basically giving billions of taxpayer&#8217;s money to an energy company which then pays billions to a Chinese company. Then to recover costs they slap you in the face another time by increasing your energy bills. You pay two times for something that is inefficient and only serves the whims of politicians and corporations. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s wind power.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Wind Turbines = Fossil Fuels! by XsmashX1</title>
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		<dc:creator>XsmashX1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Aug 2010 06:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;@aronswritingdeskyt ...&lt;/b&gt; &lt;br&gt; @aronswritingdeskyt I want to ask you two questions that I&#039;m not sure I know and I want your opinion:

Do you have any idea how many products are imported from China?
and
Why are energy bills increased (i.e. political reasons, wars and relations with major suppliers of petroleum, or maybe natural disasters that may interrupt petroleum production and transportation)?

Also just out of curiosity, you used &quot;your government.&quot; Meaning your not from the US?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>@aronswritingdeskyt &#8230;</b> <br /> @aronswritingdeskyt I want to ask you two questions that I&#8217;m not sure I know and I want your opinion:</p>
<p>Do you have any idea how many products are imported from China?<br />
and<br />
Why are energy bills increased (i.e. political reasons, wars and relations with major suppliers of petroleum, or maybe natural disasters that may interrupt petroleum production and transportation)?</p>
<p>Also just out of curiosity, you used &#8220;your government.&#8221; Meaning your not from the US?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Wind Turbines = Fossil Fuels! by indigoblue66</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Aug 2010 06:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;The worst bunch of ...&lt;/b&gt; &lt;br&gt; The worst bunch of hogwash I ever heard. Whoever is behind this video is doing lobby work for the oil industry. And only stupid people are buying it :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>The worst bunch of &#8230;</b> <br /> The worst bunch of hogwash I ever heard. Whoever is behind this video is doing lobby work for the oil industry. And only stupid people are buying it <img src='http://www.ncbioenergy.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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